Arrogance,Waukegan and the Internet

[JazminH]

There is no way I would ever vote for either of them for mayor..... even if the opposition was a turd.

So your voting for Wakefield then I assume

[JazminH]

Kirsty does more for our community than the majority of "citizens" in Waukegan. She understands the basic tenets of our country including citizen involvement in our political structures and changing the community for the common good. I, for one, would very much welcome Kirsty as a citizen to our country and its democratic traditions. Also, Kirsty and her husband are professional, well-informed, kind folks--the kind of demographic that we need more of in Waukegan.

:roll:

[kirsty]

Crew wants to educate us? I think the crew might just be the ones who need an education. Sam Cuntingham - give me a break - I've been watching him since before he was sworn in as alderman so I know him well. There is nothing anyone, including Sam hisself, could tell me about him that would change my opinion of him. You can't negate years and years of the incompetent visionless low expectations that are Sam. Same thing goes for Hyde. There is no way I would ever vote for either of them for mayor..... even if the opposition was a turd.

The idea behind CREW is that citizens educate themselves. Citizens make an informed decision on their choice of candidate when they have had a chance to listen to ALL of the candidates. It really serves no purpose to offensively deride individual candidates; as well as being highly discourteous, it educates absolutely no-one.

[JazminH]

So where and when is this interview?

[kellyann1293]

Kelly Ann, your views are very valid. This site and the CREW site serve very different purposes. Our sole purpose is to find the right leadership for Waukegan, and we are very clear on that. Of course, what goes on in Zion, North Chicago and so on is important to the people of Waukegan. And this site, Wauktalk, admirably serves as a forum for discussion on such topics, as well as many others. The reason for limiting discussion on the CREW site is not to stifle free speech, rather, to focus discussion in a productive way because we are on a time crunch. Moreover, just as users have to contact the administrator on this site to suggest a new topic, the same is true on CREW, and the old Town site. In that respect the three sites are no different.

With regards to anonymity...of course, I know how to get hold of you! No one is going to stick a "we support CREW" sign in anyone's front garden. What we are trying to do is ensure that only serious users sign up to join. On Town and other sites, the ability for users to have multiple alias' has ensured that the most abusive of members rejoin within a minute of being ejected by an administrator. Already I have seen examples, on this site, of users having multiple alias' in order to bully other users. We want to avoid this on the CREW site. We do not have time to mess about with users who use these sites as a substitute for a psychiatrists couch - the election, after all, is just three months away. I hope this clarifies things and I do hope you will sign up and join us kellyann!

I just looked at the CREW site again. When trying to decide whether to sign up, the following text convinced me not to:

"As a user you agree to any information you have entered to being stored in a database. While this information will not be disclosed to any third party without your consent, neither “waukegancrew.org” nor phpBB shall be held responsible for any hacking attempt that may lead to the data being compromised. "

[kirsty]

Kelly Ann, your views are very valid. This site and the CREW site serve very different purposes. Our sole purpose is to find the right leadership for Waukegan, and we are very clear on that. Of course, what goes on in Zion, North Chicago and so on is important to the people of Waukegan. And this site, Wauktalk, admirably serves as a forum for discussion on such topics, as well as many others. The reason for limiting discussion on the CREW site is not to stifle free speech, rather, to focus discussion in a productive way because we are on a time crunch. Moreover, just as users have to contact the administrator on this site to suggest a new topic, the same is true on CREW, and the old Town site. In that respect the three sites are no different.

With regards to anonymity...of course, I know how to get hold of you! No one is going to stick a "we support CREW" sign in anyone's front garden. What we are trying to do is ensure that only serious users sign up to join. On Town and other sites, the ability for users to have multiple alias' has ensured that the most abusive of members rejoin within a minute of being ejected by an administrator. Already I have seen examples, on this site, of users having multiple alias' in order to bully other users. We want to avoid this on the CREW site. We do not have time to mess about with users who use these sites as a substitute for a psychiatrists couch - the election, after all, is just three months away. I hope this clarifies things and I do hope you will sign up and join us kellyann!

I just looked at the CREW site again. When trying to decide whether to sign up, the following text convinced me not to:

"As a user you agree to any information you have entered to being stored in a database. While this information will not be disclosed to any third party without your consent, neither “waukegancrew.org” nor phpBB shall be held responsible for any hacking attempt that may lead to the data being compromised. "

In the electronic era that we live in, the information required to join CREW is minimal, and in fact is no less than the information required to join the Town site. This site, Town, and virtually every other online forum risks being hacked. Nevertheless, even if these forums agreed to be held totally responsible for data hacking, and other matters out of their control, individuals would find other reasons not to prescribe to a particular forum. That's life. An individuals decision to join CREW is personal and I respect that entirely.

[kellyann1293]

I never had to give my name or phone number for this site or the TOWN site. I just needed a valid email address. For both, I used my "spam" email address. If the database is hacked, they can send me spam but they don't have my phone number or my real name.

Like I said, I wish you guys luck with the site, but it's just not my cup of tea.

[s.wonder]

Crew wants to educate us? I think the crew might just be the ones who need an education. Sam Cuntingham - give me a break - I've been watching him since before he was sworn in as alderman so I know him well. There is nothing anyone, including Sam hisself, could tell me about him that would change my opinion of him. You can't negate years and years of the incompetent visionless low expectations that are Sam. Same thing goes for Hyde. There is no way I would ever vote for either of them for mayor..... even if the opposition was a turd.

The idea behind CREW is that citizens educate themselves. Citizens make an informed decision on their choice of candidate when they have had a chance to listen to ALL of the candidates. It really serves no purpose to offensively deride individual candidates; as well as being highly discourteous, it educates absolutely no-one.

Kirsty,
pardon me for being so bold but you need to read the posts of your co crew member Steve Kolber. Contrary to your more reasonable version, he, in supreme arrogant fashion, has said that:

“The intent is truly to educate the electorate as to the most qualified choice, and do what it takes as an organized and focused group to place that individual into office.”

And again, Steve, in full pomousity:

“Our sole task is to energize, enlighten and motivate the voters en masse to get behind a single qualified candidate who we feel has the passion, integrity and vision to lead our City”

I’m sorry but I don’t need an annoying putz like Steve Kolber to enlighten me let alone motivate me to get behind a candidate of his choosing.

Furthermore, there are many reasons people vote for a candidate. Being informed on specific issues is simply not that important to many voters here in Waukegan.

[sailor72]

Isn't it interesting that the most popular topic on this entire forum is a thread based on trying to dismantle another forum?

Now that's entertainment.

[sailor72]

Kellyann,

Interesting to note that when you sign up for WaukTalk you are presented with this completely different disclaimer:

As a user you agree to any information you have entered to being stored in a database. While this information will not be disclosed to any third party without your consent, neither “Waukegan Talk” nor phpBB shall be held responsible for any hacking attempt that may lead to the data being compromized.

Imagine that?