The claim by many of a "New World Order"

[Blackdiamond]

Oh, Kelly---nothing wrong with my computer--"Johnny can read but couldn't understand what he was reading"--(talking about myself)). WT, thank you for that somewhat "watered down" version. Seventh Day Adventists don't celebrate Christmas either. I was told that no where in the Bible states Jesus's actually birthdate so that we wouldn't worship it. Well, most of us do because someone said a long time ago that he was born on Christmas day. Evidently he had to have been in a warm atmosphere being born in a Manger because Christmas means cold, snow, and ice. Too cold for a Manger. You know ,I'm more concerned about the "ENDING" than the "BEGINNING". Kelly, come over ANYTIME. Just bring a bucket of fried chicken and diet pepsi. :lol: Most of you Posters are very intellectual and know what you're talking about. Anytime any of you want to talk about old age and arthritis---CONTACT ME.

[ClassicalLib17]

WT, I commend you for the time and effort you put into your post. Our Founding Fathers were well aware of these influences. As Americans, we need to come together to save our way of life from the small town, all the way up to the highest office of this land, who would run over their own grandmother for money and power. Look at what has happened in our own town.

[Danno]

:? Oh, Lordy---its all too much for me. I haven't the SLIGHTEST idea of what you kids are talking about---but don't stop.

Hey BD ...

I appreciate your honesty! I agree...hard to figure this out !!

Have you ever heard the term used in the recent past... "The New World Order"?

It is a political perspective which yes, is based upon a vast conspiracy theory. It sees our country and many countries around the world as increasingly being controlled by an elite group of individuals set upon their own personal power and their own personal enrichment. How they are achieving these ends are by mostly secret meetings and secret rituals to bind themselves closer, to consolidate their power, to advance their cause.

Many believe that the world-wide economic crises we are seeing is not by chance, but by design. As these powered, monied elites consolidate more, the more resources go to them and the less there is for the rest of us. Big Banks, Powerful Leaders (from all over the world), Big Military-Industrial Complex, Big Media, Big Academicians, Big Medicine, Big Info services (like Google and Verizon) are all aligning together to enrich themselves, to be the new "haves" while all the rest of us will increasingly become the impoverished "have nots."

It is a chilling perspective, but when you look around at all the big problems in the world today, such as our continuing tanking ecomony, that isn't such a fuzzy wuzzy, heart-warming picture, either! It's very chillng!

The videos I list in my initial post above try to explain this overall alleged scheme in the first part by the players, the persons alleged to be involved in this move towards world-wide consolidated power. Such as the centuries old banking family, The Rothchilds (the richest family on this planet for literally centuries and centuries going back into the Renaissance and well-established by the time of George Washington).

Then there is this group of about 130 world elites who meet every year and have since 1954 called "The Bilderbergers." They meet every yr in posh private retreats, this yr meeting at the swank Hotel Dulce in Sitges, Spain. Major American corporate figures, banking figures, military figures, media figures and political figures attend as well as their counterparts from around the entire globe. All in secret, no reporters allowed, no public allowed, PRIVATE. It is alleged at these secret meetings that world policy is set, as where to declare wars, how to manipulate world-wide currencies, how much to charge for gasoline, much of all of this GLOBALLY decided here and during the yr by this group. They call themselves "The Bildergerbers" because they first met at The Hotel Bilderberg in Oosterbeek, The Netherlands, in 1954.

Then there are other organizations with exclusive membership where the world-wide high and mighty allegedly come together to meet and plan how to make the world work better for only THEM. The Trilateral Commission, The Council on Foreign Relations are such alleged organizations. None of these are govermental agencies, BD. THEY ARE ALL EXCLUSIVELY PRIVATE...like a COUNTRY CLUB IS.

Then there are other secret organizations/societies they are alleged to also be a part of this. The Free Masons, The Illuminati (very secret and some question their existence at all) and others not so secret such as The United Nations (but what does that say..."UNITED NATIONS"?? as in ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT??..A "NEW WORLD ORDER"?) I am not saying I buy into ALL of this, just presenting here the perspective and how it is seen, BD.

THEN there are the alleged MAJOR PLAYERS in all of this, some call them the "HIGH PRIESTS" .... and those are the names I list in my initial post. Allegedly such as Multi-Billionaire Oilman DAVID ROCKEFELLER, Computer guru BILL GATES, long-time powerful diplomat and former USA Secretary of State HENRY KISSINGER (yes, he is STILL around and in the thick of things), the former top security advisor to President Jimmy Carter named Zbigniew Brzezinksi (he is also a writer, a scholar, a lecturer and is alleged to be one of the top hidden insiders advising President Barack Obama about the Mideast right now).

Then there is former President George Herbert Walker Bush (who on January 16, 1991 specifically talked about establishing beyond all doubt a "NEW WORLD ORDER")...take a look at this vid, BD...and hear it first-hand:

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Then there are those who allege that President Obama is now into the "New World Order" scheme, too...and some even say he is a a mere puppet of the global elites and powerful monied interests to "mask" what they are really up to BEHIND the scenes. These are examples of what some say are evidences from President Obama that he is on board and all steam ahead for "The New World Order."

By the way, I find comparisons of President Obama to Adolf Hitler and then to The Devil outrageously disgusting, totally repulsive and absolutely ridiculous. FACT is that some REALLY DO see him this way, and I am here to look at this ENTIRE "New World Order" perspective, even the parts that I do not agree with and that I do not like. It is important to hear the WHOLE STORY, like it or not, that's the way I look at it.

OK then, here is President Obama and what some are alleging about him:

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ALL RIGHT....that is enough for now, BD.

On my initial post above, I next list many of the weird alleged projects and entities of "The New World Order" which the vids present at great length. I suggest first looking at the vids in the first section of my initial post (each which I have referred to here, along with relisting some) and then moving to the second part later.

I hope this helps explain what this political perspective is more about; parts of it make more sense to me than other parts of it, and some parts of this perspective are just too far out to make any sense at all (which I find repulsive and ridiculous, as stated).

The parts that make sense are those that deal with the consolidation of power by world elites ginned up by huge reserves of billions of dolllars/euros ... combined with sophisticated new technology and the CONTROL of such technology for their OWN goals and agendas. This I find very, very troubling.

-- WT Reader

When you consider all the above it becomes very apparent that these people would be very happy to have most of us busy and preoccupied bickering with each other about the relatively petty, polarized and divisive, conservative/liberal issues, such as a mosque at ground zero or relatively minor changes to health care regulation. We are fully complying with their program.

[Danno]

WT, I commend you for the time and effort you put into your post. Our Founding Fathers were well aware of these influences. As Americans, we need to come together to save our way of life from the small town, all the way up to the highest office of this land, who would run over their own grandmother for money and power. Look at what has happened in our own town.

Historically it has been religion which has tempered Capitalism with ethics and morality. That is not as relevant today for those at the top and certainly a corporation does not have ethics and morality. Monetaryism is the root cause of the problems WT has laid out. The only effective way to remedy this problem would be to adopt a system that is not corruptible... a system that does not glorify greed and materialism... a system without money.

[Dennis_Ista]

Like a Global World Economy with plenty to spare for all.

Then we need to solve our worldy problems first:

- Hunger
- Disease
- Energy Reliabilty
- And a world shattering revolution that will turn men into brothers for a common goal.

Pretty big steps, but maybe our decendants will make it work!

[gmg77]

WT, I commend you for the time and effort you put into your post. Our Founding Fathers were well aware of these influences.

Don't people who believe this stuff think our nation's founders established NWO here in America?

[WT Reader]

WT, I commend you for the time and effort you put into your post. Our Founding Fathers were well aware of these influences.

Don't people who believe this stuff think our nation's founders established NWO here in America?

Very perceptrive, gmg. Yes, the Great Seal of The United States has in Latin "Novus Ordo Seclorum" ... for "New World Order." And if you note in my initial post above, I also have a link to TheFree Masons which most of the Founding Fathers so belonged, including indeed George Washington and Benjamin Franklin.

Washington, D C is chalk full of Masonic imagery. And absolutely, many like you have noticed how many of the monuments from The Great Pyramid and The Pentagon Star (Masonic symbols).

The Free Masons throughout American history have been accused of being a nefarious "secret society." Nothing new here at all. What is new is that many believe that these Masonic symbols which are definitely in D.C. and even on our currency (such as the owl) have been pre-opted into the symbols of the 21st Century version of "The New World Order" which many believe to be very ominous.

Look at the entirety of my initial post above, and you will see that the "Free Masons" are a mere part of the overall "New World Order" perspective that many allege is occurring NOW.

Actually, as The Founding Fathers envisioned the American Experience as a "New World Order"... I agree with them. But if the Founding Fathers saw outfits such as "The Bilderbergers", "Bohemian Grove", "The Fed" (which the Founding Fathers resisted and tried to close down but the Rothchild family then fought back and began the War of 1812 to re-establish the Second Bank of the United States and succeeded), The Trilateral Commission, etc .. I suspect they would be very alarmed, too.

The Founding Fathers' vision of A New World Order was freedom from Kings and Queens of Europe, where the human spirit could soar with "freedom under law." They did not want any foreign potentates ruling America any more.

However, what we have with today's alleged version of The New World Order is an entirely different story. Our freedoms and economic strength is being curtailed and zapped by the very few again, the new Kings and Queens of the 21st Century: Wall Street, Big Greedy Banks, organized vast Information Services (such as Google and Verizon..look at the "net neutrality" erosion right now), Big Pharma, Big Military/Industrial Complex, the "Wall Marting of America" by greedy corporations and High Media Moguls to name most of the major players.

The Founding Fathers did not "dig" elitists..their "Novus Ordo Seclorum" was for all to have a chance at a better life. This is not the kind of "Novus Ordo Seclorum" we have NOW...actually, quite the total OPPOSITE of that.

And this is where the grave concerns begin to develop.

-- WT Reader

[Danno]

WT,
here is a little bit from Peter Joseph from the Zeitgeist Movement. It touches on the New World Order.

Fluid social change can only materialize if two circumstances are met. One, the human value system, which consists of our understandings and beliefs, must be updated and changed through education and thoughtful introspection. Two, the environment surrounding that value system must change to support the new world view. The interaction between a person's value system and their environment is what influences human behavior.

For example, in our culture, "ethics" is really a matter of degree, for our social system promotes and rewards competition and self-interest. This perspective doesn't just "lead" to aberrant behavior... it creates it directly. Corruption is the norm in our society and most people do not see this, for since the society supports this behavior, it is considered right and normal... or as a matter of degree.

Given this understanding, there is a fallacy that has emerged where certain groups are deemed "corrupt" and everyone else is "good". This is the age old "us and them" world view which has no basis empirically, for it is, again, all a matter of degree.

For example, there is a large movement of people who constantly talk about "The New World Order" and this notion that there is an elite group of people who have been trying to take over the world for a long time and have manipulated society in various ways to further their goals.

This, of course, is true to a certain extent.

BUT, the failure of awareness is that this "group" is not a group at all. It is a tendency.

If you took out all the people at the top who are engaged in global hegemonic rule, it would simply be a matter of time before another group stepped in to seek the same ambition. Therefore, it isn't the individual people or groups that are the problem. It is actually the conditions upon which those people have been accustomed and indoctrinated by. Of course, many argue against this view with the escapist notion that it is "human nature" that causes this competition and need for dominance. This is unsupported by the facts. In reality, we are nearly clean slates when we are born and it is our environment that shapes who we are and how we behave.

Therefore, in order for TRUE change to occur, we must spend less time battling the products of this sick social structure and more time trying to change the root causes. As difficult and daunting as it may be to think this way, it is the only way our world will change for the better.

We can continue to stomp on the ants coming out from under the refrigerator, but until we remove the spoiled food behind it, they are just going to keep coming.


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[WT Reader]

WT, I commend you for the time and effort you put into your post. Our Founding Fathers were well aware of these influences. As Americans, we need to come together to save our way of life from the small town, all the way up to the highest office of this land, who would run over their own grandmother for money and power. Look at what has happened in our own town.

Hey Class...

Thank you for your feedback about our Founding Fathers and their awareness of the downsides of elitism. This is why I believe they created three branches of government, as in "two's company, three's a crowd." So no one branch would become more elititist and powerful than the other.

But we have a new threat today, those I believe who exist behind the scene to work together for themselves rather than for us. All FOR power and money. YES, this has occurred right here in Waukegan...being a Democrat or Republican had made little difference, all part of the "Good Ole Boy" network. A mini-version of similiar concerns expressed about this alleged "New World Order."

The alleged "New World Order" may very well be just "the good ole boys CLUB" at a higher level. That's all.

-- WT Reader

[Blackdiamond]

Hot Damn! That's IT, in a nutshell. Thank You WT :lol: I did all of that reading for nutin. :roll: