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Thomas Jefferson - ClassicalLib17 - 07-18-2010
His brilliance and wisdom is lost on the Progressives and democrats.
HOW DID JEFFERSON KNOW?
Especially read the last quote from 1802.
When we get piled
upon one another in large cities, as in Europe,
we shall become as corrupt as Europe ...
Thomas Jefferson <http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasjeff109181.html%3E;
The democracy will cease to exist
when you take away from those
who are willing to work and give to those who would not.
Thomas Jefferson <http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasjeff122881.html%3E;
It is incumbent on every
generation to pay its own debts as it goes.
A principle which if acted on would save
one-half the wars of the world.
Thomas Jefferson <http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasjeff136389.html%3E;
I predict future happiness for
Americans if they can prevent the government
from wasting the labors of the people under the
pretense of taking care of them.
Thomas Jefferson <http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasjeff136410..html%3E;
My reading of history convinces me
that most bad government results from too much
government.
Thomas Jefferson <http://www..brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasjeff157220.html%3E;
No free man shall ever be debarred
the use of arms.
Thomas Jefferson <http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasjeff125076..html%3E;
The strongest reason for the
people to retain the right to keep and bear arms
is, as a last resort, to protect themselves
against tyranny in government.
Thomas Jefferson <http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasjeff100991..html%3E;
The tree of liberty must be
refreshed from time to time with the blood of
patriots and tyrants.
Thomas Jefferson <http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasjeff109180.html%3E;
To compel a man to subsidize with
his taxes the propagation of ideas which he
disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.
Thomas Jefferson <http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasjeff157246..html%3E;
Thomas Jefferson said in 1802:
'I believe that
banking institutions are more dangerous to
our liberties than standing armies.
If the American people ever allow
private banks to control the issue of their
currency, first by inflation, then by
deflation, the banks and corporations that will
grow up around the banks will deprive the people
of all property - until their children
wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers
conquered.'
Re: Thomas Jefferson - Danno - 07-19-2010
According to TJ it sounds like it's time for the people to take up arms against a tyrannical government. I believe that was tried a generation ago. Good Luck.
Back then it took only 67 shots and 4 lives to stop an uprising. How few shots, if any, will it take next time?
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Re: Thomas Jefferson - ClassicalLib17 - 07-19-2010
Why do you reject the wisdom of Thomas Jefferson? Do you not believe in the wisdom of our Founding Fathers and the framers of our Constitution? Their is no better or wiser alternative in world history. Why do you come across as one who doesn't appreciate the goodness of the idea that is called 'The United States of America?' What other country in world history has provided a more benevolent government for its people or defended human rights as steadily as our country has? I would be ashamed if I were you.
Re: Thomas Jefferson - Danno - 07-20-2010
ClassicalLib17 Wrote:Why do you reject the wisdom of Thomas Jefferson? Do you not believe in the wisdom of our Founding Fathers and the framers of our Constitution? Their is no better or wiser alternative in world history. Why do you come across as one who doesn't appreciate the goodness of the idea that is called 'The United States of America?' What other country in world history has provided a more benevolent government for its people or defended human rights as steadily as our country has? I would be ashamed if I were you.I love the wisdom of Thomas Jefferson. Now I will dissect your statement. You say "Their is no better or wiser alternative in world history". That may very well be true. But what does the fact that there was nothing "better or wiser" than it in the past have anything to do with the present and the future? At one point in time there was "nothing better" than flint for starting fires. Does that mean flint will always be the best way to start a fire? Eveything has it's time and everything always changes. Human society has and always will be about change. We are products of emergent evolution. When the time comes for something the change for the better it is best to let go of the old and embrace the new. To do otherwise is folly in my opinion. We are at that point in time. I have a stong feeling that Thomas Jefferson, if he were alive now, would embace the new... embrace the change. Just as he did 240 years ago. Remember, he did not stubbornly hold on to systems from the 1530's. He was cutting edge 1770's.
I know, i know, it's hard to accept isn't it?
If you seriously think our government is or has been benevolent then you just gave me a new reason to be in awe of the power of brainwashing.
Re: Thomas Jefferson - Dennis_Ista - 07-20-2010
ClassicalLib17 Wrote:Why do you reject the wisdom of Thomas Jefferson? Do you not believe in the wisdom of our Founding Fathers and the framers of our Constitution? Their is no better or wiser alternative in world history. Why do you come across as one who doesn't appreciate the goodness of the idea that is called 'The United States of America?' What other country in world history has provided a more benevolent government for its people or defended human rights as steadily as our country has? I would be ashamed if I were you.
Your country has only been around for 234 years not a long time to make a lot of history, and it that short time (according to historians) you managed to fight at least 12 wars, forced the world into the Nuclear era, made yourself guilty of mass-murder (bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki), began an arm race that will destroy the world 40 times over at it's haydays, invented Kapitalism, invented the Hamburger (well, that was good thing :lol: )
The coins say "Liberty, Equality and Justice for All, but sometimes I see and hear "Equality for those who only fit the prescription of Bible or word of the preacher"
Why Classic, does the most free country in the world DENY same-sex couples the right to marry?
And why do more countries in Socialistic Europe adopt this policy?
Re: Thomas Jefferson - goodintentions - 07-20-2010
Oh I know this one....
Because Marriage is a union between two people of opposite sex. Duh.
That one was easy.
Re: Thomas Jefferson - Dennis_Ista - 07-20-2010
I guess someone missed the point by the with of a near miss....
Re: Thomas Jefferson - Danno - 07-20-2010
We have a lot of remnants of our Puritan roots still with us.
Re: Thomas Jefferson - ClassicalLib17 - 07-20-2010
Quote:Danno firmly believes: Remember, he did not stubbornly hold on to systems from the 1530's. He was cutting edge 1770's.
Do you ever reread your statements before submitting them? You sound like a communist, or socialist most of the time. There is an appropriate sports analogy that describes your bravado. Why don't you spend a little time reading the document that Thomas Jefferson crafted and really try to understand his wisdom. I will not claim to be a student of historical world governments, but, as a human residing on the planet earth, I am proud to my core to be an American. Imagine what our world would look like today, had our founding fathers revolution been crushed. Shame on you.
Re: Thomas Jefferson - Danno - 07-21-2010
ClassicalLib17 Wrote:You certainly are entitiled to your opinion about me however wrong you may be. In my opinion anyone who seriously equates someone who advocates a change from a monetary based economy to a resource based economy as a "communist or socialist" has a very lazy mind.Quote:Danno firmly believes: Remember, he did not stubbornly hold on to systems from the 1530's. He was cutting edge 1770's.
Do you ever reread your statements before submitting them? You sound like a communist, or socialist most of the time. There is an appropriate sports analogy that describes your bravado. Why don't you spend a little time reading the document that Thomas Jefferson crafted and really try to understand his wisdom. I will not claim to be a student of historical world governments, but, as a human residing on the planet earth, I am proud to my core to be an American. Imagine what our world would look like today, had our founding fathers revolution been crushed. Shame on you.
I can understand your unwavering devotion and American pride. I know it makes you feel good and righteous. I can understand your desire to label and pidgeonhole the things you don't agree with, putting them in tidy little polarized opposites to your own beliefs. But I have discovered the brainwashing elements of patriotism and nationalism and how they have held back humankind on this planet for generations. Can you tell me why you wouldn't have similar feelings of pride in your roll as an Earthling? In some ways I feel sorry for you and in some ways I feel sorry for humankind because there are so many people who are unable to think beyond their indoctrinations. You know, there will be a time on this planet when patriotism and nationalism will be looked upon as a barbaric and primative part of our past. I'm certain of that. It's a very probable prediction. It's time to evolve past this crap. There is nothing wrong with reaching for higher ground.