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Waukegan High School Dress Code
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Did anyone read the News-Sun article today on the School Board toying with the idea of school uniforms. I think it's a great idea. It would be good for so many reasons. My problem is what the school board president said. School Board President Rodriguez stated that the current dress code policy "needs to be enforced more effectively." My question to him would be how. As an employee of the district for years I remember last year how the admin couldn't even control the cellphones or I-Pod usage by the students without getting cussed out or in a confrontation with the students. So what did the board do this year they changed the policy allowing kids to have cellphones and I-Pod's in school and able to use them during passing periods. They knew they were fighting a losing battle. There was no way to control that and there's no way to control this. So how the heck are you going to enforce this. Wake up your not, unless you start handing out suspensions to those who don't comply. The admin. and school board does not have the Ba**s to do it. With the high suspension rate already as it is, this would only make those numbers sky rocket. Not to mention the complaints coming in from parents on how their picking on my child. SCHOOL BOARD THIS IS A BATTLE YOU WILL LOSE. However if you went to a school uniform like the middle schools we wouldn't be having this conversation would we. I believe the Board has more pressing issues to deal with concerning students then trying to enforce something they can't. I have a list if you want to hear it.
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School is also the place where the next actors, writers, artists, politicians, inventors, designers and and musicians are trained. School uniforms send a clear early-life message to students that conformity is
important and creativity is not, that authority is allowed to abuse it's power and constrain our constitutional right to free speech and expression. Students learn from uniforms that their individuality,
political opinions and religious rights are unimportant, as is their education: students are regularly suspended for non compliance to the uniform code even if their school work is excellent. If
uniform-requiring schools were actually in 'the business of learning' this would not occur.
----Tara Maginnis, Ph.D.,
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Quote:School is also the place where the next actors, writers, artists, politicians, inventors, designers and and musicians are trained. School uniforms send a clear early-life message to students that conformity is
important and creativity is not, that authority is allowed to abuse it's power and constrain our constitutional right to free speech and expression. Students learn from uniforms that their individuality,
political opinions and religious rights are unimportant, as is their education: students are regularly suspended for non compliance to the uniform code even if their school work is excellent. If
uniform-requiring schools were actually in 'the business of learning' this would not occur.
----Tara Maginnis, Ph.D.,lasma

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Well, isn't that special! Advice from a costume designer/Ph.D, who now lives and works in San Francisco. http://myprofile.cos.com/TheCostumer [Image: 899459_20050824040307.jpg] I wonder what her position on the wearing of American patriotic garb by students, at Live Oak High School in California,on cinco de mayo(May 5,) is? Because the radical administrators running that school decided that it would offend some students on that day, and demanded that they turn their shirts inside out or leave. Talk about revising our Constitution! They are already in the process, through the institutional indoctrination of our children. You have to wonder, who these high school administrators parents were?
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ClassicalLib17 Wrote:
Quote:School is also the place where the next actors, writers, artists, politicians, inventors, designers and and musicians are trained. School uniforms send a clear early-life message to students that conformity is
important and creativity is not, that authority is allowed to abuse it's power and constrain our constitutional right to free speech and expression. Students learn from uniforms that their individuality,
political opinions and religious rights are unimportant, as is their education: students are regularly suspended for non compliance to the uniform code even if their school work is excellent. If
uniform-requiring schools were actually in 'the business of learning' this would not occur.
----Tara Maginnis, Ph.D.,lasma

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Well, isn't that special! Advice from a costume designer/Ph.D, who now lives and works in San Francisco. http://myprofile.cos.com/TheCostumer [Image: 899459_20050824040307.jpg] I wonder what her position on the wearing of American patriotic garb by students, at Live Oak High School in California,on cinco de mayo(May 5,) is? Because the radical administrators running that school decided that it would offend some students on that day, and demanded that they turn their shirts inside out or leave. Talk about revising our Constitution! They are already in the process, through the institutional indoctrination of our children. You have to wonder, who these high school administrators parents were?
Yes, the constitutional revisionist boogie man is out there. Do you even realize that we Americans are not and never were endowed with unlimited freedom of expression in all places? Do you think a public school is the equivalent to the public square in terms of free expression? Do you think indoctrination of children is something new or did you simply agree with the indoctrinations of the past because they aligned with your own beliefs?
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Then it might be of interest to read the study first published in the Journal of Educational Research Volume 92, Number 1, September/October 1998 pp.53-62.
by David Brunsma, University of Alabama and Kerry A. Rockquemore, Notre Dame.

In a single sentence, this study showed that uniforms did not lead to an improvement in attendance, behavior, drug use, or academic achievement.


We dress our K-8 students up in uniforms. Have done so for a number of years now. Has our gang problem disappeared? Is there something else we should try?
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School Uniforms work perfectly in the Uk.

Why would it not work in the US?
"The Dutch Guy"
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lasma Wrote:Then it might be of interest to read the study first published in the Journal of Educational Research Volume 92, Number 1, September/October 1998 pp.53-62.
by David Brunsma, University of Alabama and Kerry A. Rockquemore, Notre Dame.

In a single sentence, this study showed that uniforms did not lead to an improvement in attendance, behavior, drug use, or academic achievement.


We dress our K-8 students up in uniforms. Have done so for a number of years now. Has our gang problem disappeared? Is there something else we should try?


Uniform yes or no articles are one of the most common issues debated/researched/studied in education. For every study you find that that says no, there is another that says yes. "The research says," is just not an angle that should move the reader to choose one side or another. Sorry :cry:

Your referenced article is more than ten years old.
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We dress our K-8 students up in uniforms. Have done so for a number of years now. Has our gang problem disappeared?

Has attendance improved? Has it reduced problems of any sort? If not, then why do it?
Uniforms are a simple way to to "look" like we are trying to solve a problem, without actually doing anything of value.
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I wonder if this list is where the bizarre hate mail has been coming from. It seems that someone on your list has re-posted a piece of a letter of mine I wrote over ten years ago to someone asking me for my opinion of the pros and cons of school uniforms in public schools. I gave it, and gave permission to that person to post it to a list. Pieces of it have since proliferated by cut and paste to various other lists on the subject, including this one now, where someone else has posted a bit of it to your list with attribution. This is fine, but please don't assume it is any remark directly written by me in reference to your own school controversy. Firstly, I have no idea if you are a public or private school (and private schools often have compelling reasons for uniforms), or if this is a school where the lesson you are trying to teach is a basic conformity to authority (as in a reform school for students who are in danger of becoming criminal), indeed I don't even know where this school is (US? Canada?), so I can't really say much of anything about it specifically. I do maintain that a uniform, any uniform, exists to either voluntarily (sports team) or involuntarily (prisoners) express conformity to a group. Whether you find that a desirable outcome in your case is up to you. As for the person who doubted I would approve of patriotic clothing. He/she is wrong. At the age of 12 in public school in 1971-72 I went to school wearing all flag patterned shirt, flag belt, flag bell-bottoms, flag hairband, and flag converse type hi tops, none of which I would have been permitted to wear if I had been stuck in a school that insisted on uniforms or a dress code. Dress codes tend to stifle all sorts of religious, political and personal expressions pretty much evenly (or if not, expect a visit from the ACLU) so you can't put them in unless you are prepared to have your own expression in politics or religion banned as well. Don't look for a uniform to magically bring about good manners and an end to gang violence, but do look on it as a way to minimize the appearance of class/income differences among your students, an easier to enforce dress-code than loose guidelines, and a way to set your students apart from those of other schools on the street. Down sides include doubling clothing costs for parents, a general boring (though neater) visual atmosphere at school, and those pesky conformity issues.

I personally tend to disapprove of uniforms for American public schools because as a nation we have a longstanding tradition of individualism that makes them highly suspect in any state-required school. I don't see problems with it for a private (voluntary) school. I see why the UK poster does not have a problem with it even in their state run schools however, because UK parents are (I've read) better able to choose among several state schools, so again, the choice tends to be voluntary. The British also tend to prefer uniforms because they tend to minimize the appearance of class/income differences, which given their history, actually can increase a student's access to individual success rather than dampen it. In a very diverse income and class ridden school it might be needed here.

All of these are general remarks which you may or may not find useful or interesting. As I've said, I don't know what your situation is, so please don't get the idea that I'm out here telling you what to do. The only reason I even found out about this was a name search that told me people I'd never met or talked to were saying snarky things about me because someone quoted a piece of one of my old letters. And now, I will bugger off the list, never learning where or what waukegan is.
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I don't care for uniforms. I went to catholic school so I may be biased. Indoctrination/conformance is the point of schools first for religios reasons then the public compulsory form to transition an agricultural society into an industrial society. Skills like punching the clock, reading and arithmetic are crucial to the industrial labor force. If we are now in the transition to an information based society maybe these kids should be given more freedom like folks at Google, Apple and Microsoft to foster creativity? In the end uniforms provide parents with a sense of safety and do little to control behavior in school children.




Tara thanks for your input.. Waukegan is in IL USA and the school is public. <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://lmgtfy.com/?q=waukegan">http://lmgtfy.com/?q=waukegan</a><!-- m -->
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