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Northern Ill. Patriots Meeting April 1
#11
Quote:Danno wrote: This video supports the notion that these groups want to steer America toward a Fascist Theocracy. They seem to be using patriotism and taxation without representation to hide their hidden agenda.
It doesn't surprise me that these people don't recognize the text on the video as quotes from our FOUNDING FATHERS. Danno and mouse, you would be well advised to erase your posts now! I believe your posts would be referred to as TROLLING. Harold Beadling
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#12
Your fascist tendencies are showing. You can't deal with my free expression so try to shut me up. I'm so glad you and your kind are not calling the shots
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#13
Video of KKK embracing the Teaparty and their approach to media manipulation.

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The Wal-Mart Hippies

By DAVID BROOKS
Published: March 4, 2010
New York Times

About 40 years ago, a social movement arose to destroy the establishment. The people we loosely call the New Left wanted to take on The Man, return power to the people, upend the elites and lead a revolution.

Today, another social movement has arisen. The people we loosely call the Tea Partiers also want to destroy the establishment. They also want to take on The Man, return power to the people, upend the elites and lead a revolution.

There are many differences between the New Left and the Tea Partiers. One was on the left, the other is on the right. One was bohemian, the other is bourgeois. One was motivated by war, and the other is motivated by runaway federal spending. One went to Woodstock, the other is more likely to go to Wal-Mart.

But the similarities are more striking than the differences. To start with, the Tea Partiers have adopted the tactics of the New Left. They go in for street theater, mass rallies, marches and extreme statements that are designed to shock polite society out of its stupor. This mimicry is no accident. Dick Armey, one of the spokesmen for the Tea Party movement, recently praised the methods of Saul Alinsky, the leading tactician of the New Left.

These days the same people who are buying Alinsky’s book “Rules for Radicals” on Amazon.com are, according to the company’s software, also buying books like “Liberal Fascism,” “Rules for Conservative Radicals,” “Unholy Alliance: Radical Islam and the American Left,” and “The Shadow Party: How George Soros, Hillary Clinton, and Sixties Radicals Seized Control of the Democratic Party.” Those last two books were written by David Horowitz, who was a leading New Left polemicist in the 1960s and is now a leading polemicist on the right.

But the core commonality is this: Members of both movements believe in what you might call mass innocence. Both movements are built on the assumption that the people are pure and virtuous and that evil is introduced into society by corrupt elites and rotten authority structures. “Man is born free, but he is everywhere in chains,” is how Rousseau put it.

Because of this assumption, members of both movements go in big for conspiracy theories. The ’60s left developed elaborate theories of how world history was being manipulated by shadowy corporatist/imperialist networks — theories that live on in the works of Noam Chomsky. In its short life, the Tea Party movement has developed a dizzying array of conspiracy theories involving the Fed, the F.B.I., the big banks and corporations and black helicopters.

Because of this assumption, members of the Tea Party right, like the members of the New Left, spend a lot of time worrying about being co-opted. They worry that the corrupt forces of the establishment are perpetually trying to infiltrate the purity of their ranks.

Because of this assumption, members of both movements have a problem with authority. Both have a mostly negative agenda: destroy the corrupt structures; defeat the establishment. Like the New Left, the Tea Party movement has no clear set of plans for what to do beyond the golden moment of personal liberation, when the federal leviathan is brought low.

Recently a piece in Salon astutely compared Glenn Beck to Abbie Hoffman. In it, Michael Lind pointed out that the conservatives in the 1960s and 1970s built a counter-establishment — a network of think tanks, activist groups, academic associations and political leaders who would form conservative cadres, promoting conservative ideas and policies.

But the Tea Partiers are closer to the New Left. They don’t seek to form a counter-establishment because they don’t believe in establishments or in authority structures. They believe in the spontaneous uprising of participatory democracy. They believe in mass action and the politics of barricades, not in structure and organization. As one activist put it recently on a Tea Party blog: “We reject the idea that the Tea Party Movement is ‘led’ by anyone other than the millions of average citizens who make it up.”

For this reason, both the New Left and the Tea Party movement are radically anticonservative. Conservatism is built on the idea of original sin — on the assumption of human fallibility and uncertainty. To remedy our fallen condition, conservatives believe in civilization — in social structures, permanent institutions and just authorities, which embody the accumulated wisdom of the ages and structure individual longings.
That idea was rejected in the 1960s by people who put their faith in unrestrained passion and zealotry. The New Left then, like the Tea Partiers now, had a legitimate point about the failure of the ruling class. But they ruined it through their own imprudence, self-righteousness and naïve radicalism. The Tea Partiers will not take over the G.O.P., but it seems as though the ’60s political style will always be with us — first on the left, now the right.

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Quote:David Brooks wrote: In its short life, the Tea Party movement has developed a dizzying array of conspiracy theories involving the Fed, the F.B.I., the big banks and corporations and black helicopters.

Because of this assumption, members of the Tea Party right, like the members of the New Left, spend a lot of time worrying about being co-opted. They worry that the corrupt forces of the establishment are perpetually trying to infiltrate the purity of their ranks.
I would like to take this opportunity to correct Mr. Brooks, since his "personal" opinion, stated above, is not based in reality. The Tea Party movement was born of the average American's long-term frustration with social programs that have produced only failure, public schools that graduate students that can't read or write at grade level, illegal immigration and their unscrupulous employers, a Congress that decided that everyone qualifies for a home mortgage, and a home equity line of credit( if they so desired), a financial sector that embraced their mandate and exponentially multiplied that disaster, and in the end, we all know who is going to pay that bill. All you have to do is look to Europe, if you have the common sense to do so, and see where we are headed as a nation. From his commentary, he has, obviously, never attended a Tea Party meeting, owing to his assumption that the libertarian(Ron Paul) position and the Tea Party are one and the same. I suggest that he should take some time from his busy schedule with his sinking newspaper, and the low-rated Sunday morning "news" program on which he appears and do some research, before writing a "newspaper" commentary on a subject that he obviously has not given its due diligence. I can say this with certainty, the Tea Party movement's principles are based on what is provided for in our Constitution, nothing more and nothing less. A document that we, as a nation, should become more well versed on. The siren call of expanded federal intervention in our daily lives and pocketbooks, no longer resonates with me. Harold Beadling
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Harold Wrote:
Quote:David Brooks wrote: In its short life, the Tea Party movement has developed a dizzying array of conspiracy theories involving the Fed, the F.B.I., the big banks and corporations and black helicopters.

Because of this assumption, members of the Tea Party right, like the members of the New Left, spend a lot of time worrying about being co-opted. They worry that the corrupt forces of the establishment are perpetually trying to infiltrate the purity of their ranks.
I would like to take this opportunity to correct Mr. Brooks, since his "personal" opinion, stated above, is not based in reality. The Tea Party movement was born of the average American's long-term frustration with social programs that have produced only failure, public schools that graduate students that can't read or write at grade level, illegal immigration and their unscrupulous employers, a Congress that decided that everyone qualifies for a home mortgage, and a home equity line of credit( if they so desired), a financial sector that embraced their mandate and exponentially multiplied that disaster, and in the end, we all know who is going to pay that bill. All you have to do is look to Europe, if you have the common sense to do so, and see where we are headed as a nation. From his commentary, he has, obviously, never attended a Tea Party meeting, owing to his assumption that the libertarian(Ron Paul) position and the Tea Party are one and the same. I suggest that he should take some time from his busy schedule with his sinking newspaper, and the low-rated Sunday morning "news" program on which he appears and do some research, before writing a "newspaper" commentary on a subject that he obviously has not given its due diligence. I can say this with certainty, the Tea Party movement's principles are based on what is provided for in our Constitution, nothing more and nothing less. A document that we, as a nation, should become more well versed on. The siren call of expanded federal intervention in our daily lives and pocketbooks, no longer resonates with me. Harold Beadling
how do you feel about the first amendment as it pertains to religion? From what I see most Tea Party followers seem to dislike the "wall of seperation".
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#17
Dear Mouse, The only thing you have proved here is that you are not man enough to sign your name to your "whisper" Harold Beadling
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#18
I had a feeling Harold would ignore my question. I wonder why?
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#19
Anyone know if this Northern Illinois Patriots group advocates violence to achieve "their" goals???


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I am a member of the Tea Party and have been to the last 4 meetings. The group exists to oppose the growth of government. Government does not inherently have any money and any growth is done at the private sectors expense. The meetings generally have local politicians and candidates discussing the difficult problems facing our state ($45Billion in unfunded liabilities) and our country($100 Trillion in unfunded liabilities).

I have been anxious about this for over a decade, and this has been the first popular movement that has runaway deficits as its primary concern. I am still pessimistic that the American experiment is nearing the end but at least I will have stated my piece. The members of this group tend to be christian conservative. I am more of a minarchist and would agree that the government has no business legislating morality, nor should the government fund groups of any religious sort. In fact the Federal government should have little to no effect on your life.

I am still puzzled about the charges of racism and violence, I believe the majority of Americans, regardless of race or religion, actually subscribe to the beliefs of the Tea Party but there has been a misinformation campaign surrounding them. There even exists a website suggesting people infiltrate rallies and perform unpleasant activities to discredit the movement.

To those equating this with the KKK, these meetings are open to all comers, I can assure you there is no danger of violence. If after attending, you still do not like it, you can at least talk with personal knowledge rather than some skewed information you read somewhere.

The more you are forced to give to the government, the less free you are.
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