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Waukegan Leadership Council 2nd Mayoral Debate 3/22
#1
Saw notice of this on the CREW site. I look forward to their second debate. The first one was so lively with Jose Guzman's antics and the large 'Si se puede Jose!' crowd. One has to wonder if the crowd will be as large with the WLC unofficial official candidate out of the running. Will we hear cries of 'Si se puede Richard' or 'Si se puede Robert.'

See you there. Big Grin Wonder if Univision will cover this debate?


Candidates' Debate

For

Mayor of Waukegan




Non-Partisan debate for the Mayoral Election

Sunday March 22, 2009

2:00 P.M.

(Doors will open at 1:00 p.m.)




Waukegan High School Auditorium

2325 Brookside Ave

Waukegan, IL 60085



Be informed before you vote for your next Mayor!

Remember to vote on Tuesday, April 7th, 2009!!



For more information and to help mobilize the community to the polls call:

Waukegan Leadership Council: (847) 360-0447



Submit your questions for consideration in the next debate here.



<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://wlcleadership.org/default.aspx">http://wlcleadership.org/default.aspx</a><!-- m -->

Here is the link so we can submit questions. Hard hitting questions about our town's issues.
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#2
They have links to the other candidates sites at the WLC site. I wonder who their candidate of choice is?


Links
Illinois Coalition for Immigrant and Refugees Rights (ICRR)
ICIRR on YouTube
Waukegan Leadership Council on YouTube
Black Chamber of Commerce
League of Women Voters


Waukegan
Waukegan Ward Map





News

Lake County News Sun Article 2/9/2009



Mayoral Candidates

Jose Guzman

Sam Cunningham

Mayor Hyde (no known website)

Bob Sabonjian

Greg Flesher

The Waukegan Leadership Council is non-partisan. The mayoral links are for information and voter education.
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#3
The News Sun says this event is also sponsored by the NAACP, League of Woman Voters and the Black Chamber of Commerce.

I look forward to this debate.

Submitted a question yet? Smile
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#4
Just a reminder about the debate. I wonder if the crowd will compare at all to their last debate with WLC's candidate Mr. Guzman?

Report here.
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#5
The debate was very interesting.
Hyde was an hour late so he missed the first 7 questions.
Then he talked about the basketball game instead of answering the question he was asked.
Hyde claimed that everything was the fault of the city council and the citizens of Waukegan and that the theatre was never supposed to be an economic engine to revitalize down town.
He stated that fountain square generates millions of dollars in tax revenue but then said it was in a tiff distric t.
He seemed very confused about the state of the city and what was going on.
He had no coherent answers and really just kind of rambled and blamed the Aldermen.

Sabonjian had straight answers and got to the point.
He seemed really well informed and new exactly what he was talking about.

Flesher didn't say too much but that he agreed with Sabonjian on most things. It almost sounded like he was endorsing Sabonjian.

I heard some guy tell Hyde to have his people stop stealing Sabonjian's signs and the Mayor told him that he couldn't prove that they were stealing them.
Something else that I just thought about is that the Mayor didn't seem to have anyone with him. Not a campaign manager or aide or any supporters at all for that matter.

But neither did Flesher. Though I think his wife was there.
By the way, I talked with Flesher briefly and he does seem like a really nice guy.

You'd think the incumbent Mayor would have all kinds of people around him.

I couldn't get to Sabonjian because of all the people trying to shak his hand.

The sense I got was that Sabonjian is the best candidate by far and that most people there were going to be voting for him.All in all, the debate was pretty informative as an opportunity to learn more about Sabonjian and glaring differencs between him and Hyde.

No doubt about it.
Sabonjian's got my vote.
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#6
The atmosphere was certainly different from the first debate. Not nearly as many people there or the need for the translator headphones. I missed the shouts of "Si, se puede Jose!" and the loud cheers and claps. The moderator for this debate was much more tight -she said NO clapping till the end. One young guy was clapping a couple of times. She said, "I'm going to ask the person who thinks they are the personal cheering section [Sabonjian] to remove himself if he continues."

A woman in the beginning, didn't catch her name, spoke about WLC's goals. To build a network of Black and Latino's. She mentioned the word immigrants about 25 times. To improve education for Latinos. Then as an afterthought she said, oh for the whole community. To register immigrants to vote. To change the political landscape of Waukegan.

Mayor Hyde wasn't there in the beginning. They said that he would, long pause, be there momentarily. He did arrive at 2:50 with a green Bulldog t-shirt on. He had been downstate with the team and was at the rally. I think they should have announced that. As he went on the stage I think one could feel the interest and energy pick up. And I don't necessarily mean positive energy. Many of Mayor Hyde's nemesis were positively buzzing. We were sitting somewhat behind and to the side of Chris Brutha Blanks. Chris shouted out things numerous times. School Board's "The rabbit got the gun now" Robert Evans was there.

Will try to post more later. They did say that debate video will be posted later at <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.wlcleadership.org">http://www.wlcleadership.org</a><!-- m -->
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#7
fedupinwaukegan Wrote:The atmosphere was certainly different from the first debate. Not nearly as many people there or the need for the translator headphones. I missed the shouts of "Si, se puede Jose!" and the loud cheers and claps. The moderator for this debate was much more tight -she said NO clapping till the end. One young guy was clapping a couple of times. She said, "I'm going to ask the person who thinks they are the personal cheering section [Sabonjian] to remove himself if he continues."

A woman in the beginning, didn't catch her name, spoke about WLC's goals. To build a network of Black and Latino's. She mentioned the word immigrants about 25 times. To improve education for Latinos. Then as an afterthought she said, oh for the whole community. To register immigrants to vote. To change the political landscape of Waukegan.

Mayor Hyde wasn't there in the beginning. They said that he would, long pause, be there momentarily. He did arrive at 2:50 with a green Bulldog t-shirt on. He had been downstate with the team and was at the rally. I think they should have announced that. As he went on the stage I think one could feel the interest and energy pick up. And I don't necessarily mean positive energy. Many of Mayor Hyde's nemesis were positively buzzing. We were sitting somewhat behind and to the side of Chris Brutha Blanks. Chris shouted out things numerous times. School Board's "The rabbit got the gun now" Robert Evans was there.

Will try to post more later. They did say that debate video will be posted later at <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.wlcleadership.org">http://www.wlcleadership.org</a><!-- m -->
The emphasis for "no applause" was because I made a big deal out of it when a lady from the WLC told me that I had to remove the Sabonjian pin that I was wearing before entering the auditorium. They said they did not allow anyone to support a particular candidate. At that point I asked if they were going to allow applause because that amounted to "support of a particular candidate". Then a lady from WLC said they "try" to limit the applause and the WLC is non-partisan and unbiased. That set me off. I said at the last debate applause was not limited in any way, at least not in the part of the debate that I saw, and furthermore the applause by the "WLC stacked" audience amounted to significant bias. They then assured me that they would make an announcement that there would be no applause. I did not stay and watch the entire debate to see if they held to that promise.
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#8
An interesting thing about this Waukegan Leadership Council group... they list thier address as 510 10th Street, Waukegan. The County Tax Parcel Report lists the taxpayer of 510 10th Street as The Catholic Bishop of Chicago. This property is tax exempt and WLC, as much as they try to deny it, are a political organization. This begs further study.
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Pointing to the green Bulldogs T-shirt he wore, Hyde drew applause from the crowd but also some boos from apparent political opponents.

Waukegan Mayor Richard Hyde (left), Greg Flesher and Robert Sabonjian debate issues Sunday afternoon at Waukegan High School.
(Joe Shuman/Special to the News-Sun)

Hyde rivals swing at leadership
Mayoral debate renews sparring on towing, harbor, cop behavior


March 23, 2009
By DAN MORAN <!-- e --><a href="mailtoBig GrinMORAN@SCN1.COM">DMORAN@SCN1.COM</a><!-- e -->


WAUKEGAN -- Sunday's mayoral debate at Waukegan High School's west campus had been scheduled weeks ago for 2 p.m. As events turned out, that was also the exact time that Waukegan High's state-finalist basketball team was being welcomed home at the East Campus gymnasium.

The scheduling conflict ended up producing some tension, as Mayor Richard Hyde attended the rally and arrived at the debate about 50 minutes after the start.

Hyde then began his response to the first question he fielded -- which was the seventh of the forum -- by briefly commenting on the team's accomplishments. Several members of the audience called out "answer the question," [Chris Brutha Blanks re: the "Do you need the black vote?" question] drawing admonishment from the moderator.

The episode provided one highlight of a session that otherwise echoed differences aired by the three April 7 candidates -- Democrat Hyde, Republican Greg Flesher and independent Robert Sabonjian -- at the City Club debate earlier this month.

Sunday's forum, co-sponsored by the League of Women Voters, the Lake County NAACP and the Waukegan Leadership Council, also returned to issues featured in February's Democratic debate, including the city's towing ordinance and allegations of racial profiling.

"We have a good police department in this community. What we don't have is good leadership," said Sabonjian, who was joined by Flesher in calling for a revamp of the department's review board.

Hyde responded that Waukegan has "the finest police force in Lake County -- the best. There isn't anybody even close." He defended the right of police to defend themselves in situations like last summer's shooting of Jeffey Lewis, though he added that ideally, "nobody should be shot for anything."

Sabonjian also drew a direct retort from Hyde when the Lake County Board member repeated past assertions that the city should be run by a professional administrator.

"We need a professional, nonpartisan form of government in Waukegan. It's something that we've needed for years," Sabonjian said. "We need a city administrator (who) is professional and nonpartisan ... We need a change of mindset."

Hyde replied, "I've got a college degree and three master's (degrees), and every single department head we have is a professional."

The candidates also sparred while discussing development. Flesher, president of Flesher Construction Co., said the current job market for laborers has "been brutal. We get calls every day from people who are looking for work ... We can't be too dependent on one type of industry -- residential development. We need to make better use of our airport and harbor."

Sabonjian criticized the Hyde administration for trying to attract a casino, saying the focus should have been on developing the land set aside for one at Fountain Square of Waukegan.

Hyde said the 30 acres in question will be under contract to Waukegan Gaming LLC until December 2010, but it will eventually be developed, "and that's being played out right now." He later mentioned that Fountain Square officials are seeking to build a movie multiplex.

Regarding downtown development, Sabonjian said the Genesee Theatre has been under-utilized and "run in the most inept fashion I've ever seen in my life."

Hyde agreed that the Genesee was not open often enough initially. "We fired the person (in charge) and we've got a new person in there now" who has the theater used more often, he said.

On other issues, Flesher called for the city to scale back its parking-meter policies around downtown businesses, saying the meters "push a lot of people out of town because they don't want to put up with that nonsense." He called for "a friendlier city that reaches out to businesses" and works more efficiently with them.

On the environmental cleanup of Waukegan Harbor, Hyde reiterated his past stance that the city filed suit against shoreline industries to ensure it doesn't have to pay for up to $50 million in continuing remediation.

Sabonjian said Hyde's comments were "in direct contravention" to figures supplied by the EPA, and called on the city to cooperate with the federal agency on a cleanup.

Flesher called for "a balanced approach" to remediation, saying the city should "work with industry so the shipping can bear some of the costs."
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Okay, maybe I'm an idiot, but doesn't Mayor Hyde forever tell us that City Hall has nothing to do with the schools in Waukegan? Oh, wait, silly me, he tells us that when it suits him politically. Presumably Mr Couval et al made an assessment based on the number of potential voters at the Bulldogs rally versus the WLC debate.... I am disgusted to see that Mayor Hyde has attached Bulldog banners to his political signs across the city; taking advantage of the hard work and achievement of those kids when he doesn't give a flying fig about the state of the schools.
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