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Re: Arrogance,Waukegan and the Internet - fedupinwaukegan - 10-07-2008
kirsty Wrote:JazminH Wrote:JazminH Wrote:So where and when is this interview?
Where is the Cunningham interview? What time does it start?
Hi Jazmin, if you check the CREW site, <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.waukegancrew.org">http://www.waukegancrew.org</a><!-- m -->, all the information is on there. Really hope you join us, you sound as though you are very motivated and want to change the city! Kirsty
Immigration
The recently passed 287g initiative has received significant attention. Are you for this endeavor and how will it play a part in your administration?
This question (from the crew site) may allow them to answer in general terms and/or sidestep the issue. From what I understand 287g funding for local police is not there. Therefore, other communities (states, counties and cities) are using laws/ordinances that have been successful. The candidates could be asked specifically as mayor what they would do to combat illegal immigration and it's effects in Waukegan. Pin them down -the issue is too big in Waukegan to be ignored.
Use E-Verify? Cut services? Many more...
I suggest crew watches Sheriff Curran's press conference for more ideas and background. Hear what Lake County Board President Suzie S's promises in this area.
<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://freedomfolks.com/blog/?p=4059">http://freedomfolks.com/blog/?p=4059</a><!-- m -->
If you need to speak to any experts in this area I can supply some contacts. I can supply information as well.
Re: Arrogance,Waukegan and the Internet - JazminH - 10-07-2008
kirsty Wrote:JazminH Wrote:JazminH Wrote:So where and when is this interview?
Where is the Cunningham interview? What time does it start?
Hi Jazmin, if you check the CREW site, <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.waukegancrew.org">http://www.waukegancrew.org</a><!-- m -->, all the information is on there. Really hope you join us, you sound as though you are very motivated and want to change the city! Kirsty
So it's not open to the public then?
Re: Arrogance,Waukegan and the Internet - kirsty - 10-07-2008
It is open to the public, who are Crew users. Crew is no different than any other socio-political organization; I cannot, for example, just attend a social/academic/ business or other organization's meeting on the basis that I am a member of the 'public.' I have to be affiliated with that particular organization.
Of course, as citizens of Waukegan we are all free to interview the candidates - just make contact through their office/web site and speak to the candidates directly, you don't need Crew to do that. The purpose of Crew is to interview all of the candidates as a group, and then make a decision en masse. Please feel free to join us! If it is not your cup of tea, then don't join us - the choice is truly yours Jazmin!
JazminH Wrote:kirsty Wrote:JazminH Wrote:JazminH Wrote:So where and when is this interview?
Where is the Cunningham interview? What time does it start?
Hi Jazmin, if you check the CREW site, <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.waukegancrew.org">http://www.waukegancrew.org</a><!-- m -->, all the information is on there. Really hope you join us, you sound as though you are very motivated and want to change the city! Kirsty
So it's not open to the public then?
Re: Arrogance,Waukegan and the Internet - kirsty - 10-07-2008
Thanks for the information fed-up
You would be a great asset to Crew.fedupinwaukegan Wrote:kirsty Wrote:JazminH Wrote:JazminH Wrote:So where and when is this interview?
Where is the Cunningham interview? What time does it start?
Hi Jazmin, if you check the CREW site, <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.waukegancrew.org">http://www.waukegancrew.org</a><!-- m -->, all the information is on there. Really hope you join us, you sound as though you are very motivated and want to change the city! Kirsty
Immigration
The recently passed 287g initiative has received significant attention. Are you for this endeavor and how will it play a part in your administration?
This question (from the crew site) may allow them to answer in general terms and/or sidestep the issue. From what I understand 287g funding for local police is not there. Therefore, other communities (states, counties and cities) are using laws/ordinances that have been successful. The candidates could be asked specifically as mayor what they would do to combat illegal immigration and it's effects in Waukegan. Pin them down -the issue is too big in Waukegan to be ignored.
Use E-Verify? Cut services? Many more...
I suggest crew watches Sheriff Curran's press conference for more ideas and background. Hear what Lake County Board President Suzie S's promises in this area.
<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://freedomfolks.com/blog/?p=4059">http://freedomfolks.com/blog/?p=4059</a><!-- m -->
If you need to speak to any experts in this area I can supply some contacts. I can supply information as well.
Re: Arrogance,Waukegan and the Internet - Danno - 10-07-2008
kirsty Wrote:Hi Danno,Kirsty, yes, people here are very intelligent. some of them even have their BS detectors turned up on "high". For clarity sake, there are two entirely different issues being discussed here. One is the requirement for name and number. The other is whether a requirement for name and number is the same as no requirement? I have no problem with the requirement for name and number. I am not going to participate in the CREW forum for the reason I stated earlier in this thread and not because of the name number thing.
I think most readers to this site are intelligent enough to figure things out for themselves. From a personal point of view, I'm not quite sure that I see what the fuss is about. My full name, telephone # and email address are required for multiple forums that I belong to; my son's school forum, membership of academic sites such as H-War, online journals, university library sites, archival databases etc etc I joined those sites becase I wanted to be a part of them; I made a cost/benefit analysis as to whether I could live with imparting my name, telephone # and email address in order to participate in something that interests me, end of story. I did not give these sites my bank account details, social security number, mothers maiden name, the names of my children, the alarm code to my house or the like. It's a simple, personal decision, no fuss required.
Danno Wrote:sailor72 Wrote:Seems to me that the doors open the same way, the choice to open them is what's different.If you don't want to acknowledge that there's a big difference between giving your full name and telephone number and not giving it that's up to you. But don't try to BS the reader into thinking there is not a difference there.
Now, I hope you can understand why my BS detector went off when I hear sailor72 equate a forum that reqires name and number with a forum that does not by saying it's ONLY a matter of choice: "that the doors open the same way, the choice to open them is what's different". Based on statements like that, if sailor72 were part of another regime I certainly would have to assume he/she is their acting "Minister of Propaganda".
Re: Arrogance,Waukegan and the Internet - kirsty - 10-07-2008
Hi Danno,
Intelligence, and having the ability to detect misleading statements, are not necessarily synonymous. Nevertheless, your reasons for not joining Crew are personal and I respect that. I can assure you, (well, you know this from when me met) that I am very British, and British-isms in my writing give me away. I hope that you don't think I am 'sailor 72.' I tried being someone else once, on the Town site - 'Adam Smith'. It 's hard enough being me, let alone trying to be someone else and keep up an alias.
Rest assured that if I do pop up under a pseudonym it will be a political thinker, Baron de Montesquieu or Thomas Malthus. Propaganda is not my style. However, I'm the first to admit that if anyone is guilty of trying to 'advertise' Crew it is me. You can't blame me for that; you are doing the same for this site I believe!
Re: Arrogance,Waukegan and the Internet - Danno - 10-07-2008
kirsty Wrote:Hi Danno,Kirsty, of course I do not think you are sailor72 nor do I hold it against you to advertise the CREW forum. Youv'e done a commendable job.
Intelligence, and having the ability to detect misleading statements, are not necessarily synonymous. Nevertheless, your reasons for not joining Crew are personal and I respect that. I can assure you, (well, you know this from when me met) that I am very British, and British-isms in my writing give me away. I hope that you don't think I am 'sailor 72.' I tried being someone else once, on the Town site - 'Adam Smith'. It 's hard enough being me, let alone trying to be someone else and keep up an alias.
Ah, but your deductive reasoning abilities (which are connected to general intelligence) should have given you the answer to the sailor 72 question, for it was contained in the last sentence of my post, specifically my use of "he/she" as an indication that I was unaware of even the gender of sailor72.
Re: Arrogance,Waukegan and the Internet - kirsty - 10-07-2008
Danno,
Actually the phrase I used was 'I hope that you don't think," as opposed to, "I know that you think". Since biologically I fall in the category of a 'he' or a 'she', it is feasible for you to believe that I am the aforementioned 'sailor 72'. Nevertheless, in response to your comments about my general intelligence, I admit that I am certainly not in the league of some of my old professors at the University of Chicago, whose level of intellect I can only dream of. However, I shall be contacting the University of Chicago and Northwestern poste haste to ask for a tuition & scholarship refund, since perhaps the degrees that they awarded me, by your standards, are a load of hokey.
I wish you all the best with the forum. Respectfully, Kirsty
Danno Wrote:kirsty Wrote:Hi Danno,Kirsty, of course I do not think you are sailor72 nor do I hold it against you to advertise the CREW forum. Youv'e done a commendable job.
Intelligence, and having the ability to detect misleading statements, are not necessarily synonymous. Nevertheless, your reasons for not joining Crew are personal and I respect that. I can assure you, (well, you know this from when me met) that I am very British, and British-isms in my writing give me away. I hope that you don't think I am 'sailor 72.' I tried being someone else once, on the Town site - 'Adam Smith'. It 's hard enough being me, let alone trying to be someone else and keep up an alias.
Ah, but your deductive reasoning abilities (which are connected to general intelligence) should have given you the answer to the sailor 72 question, for it was contained in the last sentence of my post, specifically my use of "he/she" as an indication that I was unaware of even the gender of sailor72.
Re: Arrogance,Waukegan and the Internet - Danno - 10-08-2008
Score one for Dunning and Kruger.
Re: Arrogance,Waukegan and the Internet - s.wonder - 10-09-2008
Forgive me if I'm wrong but didn't Kolber fully support the good old boys just a short while back?
Oh, wait a minute, I think I recall someone telling me that Kolber "goes anyway the wind blows".
No, sorry, I think I'm mixing two stories together, that part about him going "anyway the wind blows" pertains to a story about something that happend between Kolber and a channel seven weatherman.