s.wonder Wrote:There is no way I would ever vote for either of them for mayor..... even if the opposition was a turd.

JeffK Wrote:Kirsty does more for our community than the majority of "citizens" in Waukegan. She understands the basic tenets of our country including citizen involvement in our political structures and changing the community for the common good. I, for one, would very much welcome Kirsty as a citizen to our country and its democratic traditions. Also, Kirsty and her husband are professional, well-informed, kind folks--the kind of demographic that we need more of in Waukegan.

s.wonder Wrote:Crew wants to educate us? I think the crew might just be the ones who need an education. Sam Cuntingham - give me a break - I've been watching him since before he was sworn in as alderman so I know him well. There is nothing anyone, including Sam hisself, could tell me about him that would change my opinion of him. You can't negate years and years of the incompetent visionless low expectations that are Sam. Same thing goes for Hyde. There is no way I would ever vote for either of them for mayor..... even if the opposition was a turd.

kirsty Wrote:Kelly Ann, your views are very valid. This site and the CREW site serve very different purposes. Our sole purpose is to find the right leadership for Waukegan, and we are very clear on that. Of course, what goes on in Zion, North Chicago and so on is important to the people of Waukegan. And this site, Wauktalk, admirably serves as a forum for discussion on such topics, as well as many others. The reason for limiting discussion on the CREW site is not to stifle free speech, rather, to focus discussion in a productive way because we are on a time crunch. Moreover, just as users have to contact the administrator on this site to suggest a new topic, the same is true on CREW, and the old Town site. In that respect the three sites are no different.

With regards to anonymity...of course, I know how to get hold of you! No one is going to stick a "we support CREW" sign in anyone's front garden. What we are trying to do is ensure that only serious users sign up to join. On Town and other sites, the ability for users to have multiple alias' has ensured that the most abusive of members rejoin within a minute of being ejected by an administrator. Already I have seen examples, on this site, of users having multiple alias' in order to bully other users. We want to avoid this on the CREW site. We do not have time to mess about with users who use these sites as a substitute for a psychiatrists couch - the election, after all, is just three months away. I hope this clarifies things and I do hope you will sign up and join us kellyann!

kellyann1293 Wrote:

kirsty Wrote:Kelly Ann, your views are very valid. This site and the CREW site serve very different purposes. Our sole purpose is to find the right leadership for Waukegan, and we are very clear on that. Of course, what goes on in Zion, North Chicago and so on is important to the people of Waukegan. And this site, Wauktalk, admirably serves as a forum for discussion on such topics, as well as many others. The reason for limiting discussion on the CREW site is not to stifle free speech, rather, to focus discussion in a productive way because we are on a time crunch. Moreover, just as users have to contact the administrator on this site to suggest a new topic, the same is true on CREW, and the old Town site. In that respect the three sites are no different.

With regards to anonymity...of course, I know how to get hold of you! No one is going to stick a "we support CREW" sign in anyone's front garden. What we are trying to do is ensure that only serious users sign up to join. On Town and other sites, the ability for users to have multiple alias' has ensured that the most abusive of members rejoin within a minute of being ejected by an administrator. Already I have seen examples, on this site, of users having multiple alias' in order to bully other users. We want to avoid this on the CREW site. We do not have time to mess about with users who use these sites as a substitute for a psychiatrists couch - the election, after all, is just three months away. I hope this clarifies things and I do hope you will sign up and join us kellyann!

I just looked at the CREW site again. When trying to decide whether to sign up, the following text convinced me not to:

"As a user you agree to any information you have entered to being stored in a database. While this information will not be disclosed to any third party without your consent, neither “waukegancrew.org” nor phpBB shall be held responsible for any hacking attempt that may lead to the data being compromised. "

kirsty Wrote:

s.wonder Wrote:Crew wants to educate us? I think the crew might just be the ones who need an education. Sam Cuntingham - give me a break - I've been watching him since before he was sworn in as alderman so I know him well. There is nothing anyone, including Sam hisself, could tell me about him that would change my opinion of him. You can't negate years and years of the incompetent visionless low expectations that are Sam. Same thing goes for Hyde. There is no way I would ever vote for either of them for mayor..... even if the opposition was a turd.

The idea behind CREW is that citizens educate themselves. Citizens make an informed decision on their choice of candidate when they have had a chance to listen to ALL of the candidates. It really serves no purpose to offensively deride individual candidates; as well as being highly discourteous, it educates absolutely no-one.