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August 4, 2011
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For young people in the municipality of Tonatico meet or approaching 16 years of age represents the time, almost forced, to leave the United States despite having to study or do not have the economic need to migrate.

In the northern neighbor living about 1 million 200 000 State of Mexico especially in cities in California, Indiana, Arizona and Illinois to name the most common.

In fact, the entity is, according to the National Institute of Statistics and Geography (INEGI), the fourth of the country that expels more Mexicans to the United States.

Among those U.S. states natives of the state of Mexico have begun, in recent years to form communities where they are grouped close by their home town.

The purpose of these migrants, said in an interview with El Universal Edomex, Fernanda García Villalobos, subcoordionadora International Liaison Edomex's government is to help each other with any problem, be welcomed whenever they arrive more members to the community, or simply get together to throw parties and so do not lose hold of their communities State of Mexico.

Perhaps the best known case is the city of Waukegan, in the United States, which is known popularly as American as the seat of the municipality of Tonatico.

However, they are not the only state of Mexico, say, have been consolidated in the U.S. cities almost making them their own.

This also highlights Acambay migrants, Ixtapan de la Sal, Ecatepec, San Felipe del Progreso, Tenancingo Atlacomulco Jilotepec, Toluca Cuautitlán Izcalli and Texcoco.

According to the record with the International Liaison Office of the State Government of Mexico in the American Union State of Mexico's 14 communities are already grouped in as many U.S. localities.

These are recorded as "clubs" of migrants in the U.S.. First is the Social Club Tonatico, settled in Waukegan, Illinois; Rocks of God, originating Acambay and residents in Alabama, Club proudly Mexiquense originating in Ixtapan de la Sal and living in California.

They are also registered Mexiquense Federation, which belongs to another group of natives of Ixtapan de la Sal, settled in California, the organization Earth and Sun, whose members are Tonatico and reside in Ocean Cide, California; Club New Era San Diego State of Mexico Alliance, composed of Ecatepec residents living in Chula Vista, California.

There is also the Confederation of Migrants Mexiquense Confiamex, which brings together the majority of San Felipe del Progreso living in Morgan Hill, California Association of San Agustin Migrant Mextepec, composed of residents living in Mextepec Roy Hill, California.

In Newcastle, Delaware, is Tenancinguenses Club, consisting of natives of Tenancingo. Indiana is the Indy Edomex association that concentrates migrants from Toluca. Migrants in Arizona is the United State of Mexico, where they are bound together those from Cuautitlán.

While there the group Maryland Seeing is Believing, where the community Texcoco. Then in California is also the Association of Migrant Entrepreneurs Atlacomulco and otherwise Canalejas Union, the last inhabitants of Jilotepec.

Fernanda García Villalobos said that after the U.S. economic crisis in 2009 many State of Mexico began to migrate to other areas, one Nevada.

So says the International Liaison Office of the State of Mexico government is increasingly going to the states to know how they are grouping the State of Mexico.
Am I the only one in all of Waukegan that is upset by this?
Do you have a link to this article? Thank you.
Link:
http://www.eluniversaledomex.mx/otros/nota20349.html

To All:

Even if you're posting a translation, please cite the source.

Thanks.
goodintentions Wrote:Am I the only one in all of Waukegan that is upset by this?

What is so upsetting to you about it? Wouldn't you do the same if you were them?
What is upsetting is that when I walk (when I feel really brave) the streets of my home town... I can't even understand the signs in the stores. What is upsetting is that my town in out of money. We don't have enough funding to teach all the kids in the school. My property taxes keep going up. The classrooms are over crowded. The streets are too busy. There is too much crime. Nothing is safe, nothing is sacred, nothing is revered any more. There is graffiti everywhere - (even on your garage?) They (the workers) can't get my order right when I drive thru for a cold drink at McD's. There are cars going down my street at midnight with music blasting and the bass so loud my windows rattle.

Why doesn't it upset you Danno? Why doesn't it upset everyone?
Seriously nobody in this forum knows where I'm coming from? Nobody agrees?
Everyone has just accepted all this?
WOW.
goodintentions Wrote:What is upsetting is that when I walk (when I feel really brave) the streets of my home town... I can't even understand the signs in the stores. What is upsetting is that my town in out of money. We don't have enough funding to teach all the kids in the school. My property taxes keep going up. The classrooms are over crowded. The streets are too busy. There is too much crime. Nothing is safe, nothing is sacred, nothing is revered any more. There is graffiti everywhere - (even on your garage?) They (the workers) can't get my order right when I drive thru for a cold drink at McD's. There are cars going down my street at midnight with music blasting and the bass so loud my windows rattle.

Why doesn't it upset you Danno? Why doesn't it upset everyone?
You avoided answering my question... wouldn't you do the same if you were born in their place?

These all are valid issues but they trace back to root causes that are far removed from the immigrants that populate a large part of our town. Many of the problems you listed can be traced back to the side effects of an environment and culture that, intentionally or not, perpetuates materialism, greed, divisiveness, fighting, violence, social stratification, and corruption. They are the symptoms of the breakdown of a social structure that is unsustainable, a society that is destined to ultimately fail.

The solution to these problems is well understood by some but is pretty drastic... a complete reform of human society worldwide. But this will be very difficult largely due to a distracted, indoctrinated and closed minded population and a global elite that has an interest in maintaining the status quo. Things that worked 25, 50, 100 or 200 years ago are no longer valid and relevant. The world is different. Like it or not, we are in a global community for the rest of human existence here on planet Earth. It was as inevitable and unavoidable as the passage of time.

On one hand I am hopeful we will all, worldwide, get on board with the process of such a rational renaissance, hopefully soon. My hero Carl Sagan said it best in the last episode of the Cosmos series:
"Fundamental changes in society are sometimes labeled impractical or contrary to human nature: as if nuclear war were practical or as if there were only one human nature. But fundamental changes can clearly be made. We are surrounded by them. In the last two centuries abject slavery, which was with us for thousands of years, has almost entirely been eliminated in a stirring world wide revolution. Women, systematically mistreated for millennia, are gradually gaining the political and economic power traditionally denied to them. And some wars of aggression have recently been stopped or curtailed because of a revulsion felt by the people in the aggressor nations. The old appeals to racial, sexual and religious chauvinism and to rabid nationalism are beginning not to work. A new consciousness is developing which sees the earth as a single organism and recognizes that an organism at war with itself is doomed. We are one planet. "

If we can only keep this in mind and not be distracted by the political polarization, immigrant scapegoating and all the other minutia crap that the robot zombie sheeple masses love to dwell on daily.

On the other hand I have doubts we will make it. For instance we have many people, in this age of modern science, who still believe the ages old mythologies that were created by man as a means to answer questions that science now provides valid answers to. There are still a huge amount of people worldwide who do not believe that we humans evolved from lower life forms. This in the face of hard scientific fact.

We definitely are coming into a crucial time for humankind. Our science and technology is due to grow exponentially very soon. Can we handle it... be more sane?

Here is the entire quote from Carl Sagan: <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.cooperativeindividualism.org/sagan_cosmos_who_speaks_for_earth.html">http://www.cooperativeindividualism.org ... earth.html</a><!-- m -->
I have never been one for situational ethics. I don't know what I would do if I was born in their country. I can however deal in reality. We need real solutions now. We don't need some wild ideas about where we came from or where we are headed - or what should have happened. We need fixes for today and we need them today. Going forward what can be done to right the wrongs? How can we live like this? How can we continue caring for people that are not our own? People who would rather be in their own country? People who's only goal is to make money to send home - or save enough to go home one day? Does the USA really have to suffer in the mean time? Do our citizens - who have worked hard to buy property - a piece of the American Dream - do we really have to suffer just because some one was born here - and doesn't really want to be here?
You don't answer my questions either.
goodintentions Wrote:I have never been one for situational ethics. I don't know what I would do if I was born in their country. I can however deal in reality. We need real solutions now. We don't need some wild ideas about where we came from or where we are headed - or what should have happened. We need fixes for today and we need them today. Going forward what can be done to right the wrongs? How can we live like this? How can we continue caring for people that are not our own? People who would rather be in their own country? People who's only goal is to make money to send home - or save enough to go home one day? Does the USA really have to suffer in the mean time? Do our citizens - who have worked hard to buy property - a piece of the American Dream - do we really have to suffer just because some one was born here - and doesn't really want to be here?
You don't answer my questions either.
Wild ideas? All of the points that you discounted are very relevant. We need to know who and what we truly are to make informed decisions for our future. We carry a lot of baggage from the past... a lot and we hang on to it for a long time. We've been operating on false assumptions and mythology and it is hurting humankind. We need to stop. We know better. We deserve better. What a lot of people don't understand is that humans can be so much better than we currently are. We have tremendous almost unlimited potential to be better. The baggage that we carry from the past has and is holding us back from reaching that potential but people are so caught us in those old ways that they can't see it. They argue whether a democrat or republican is the solution when the reality is neither. People are so caught up trying to fix a faulty system that they can't see how faulty it really is. It's like being so obsessed with endlessly repairing an old broken down jalopy that you never pay attention to the brand new automobile sitting in your driveway.

You say "How can we continue caring for people that are not our own?" What do you mean "not our own"? Do you mean not in your own family or not of this Earth? The time is right in human social evolution to start forgetting about borders. Borders divide us. We need to come together.... cooperate. We need to stop fighting each other. Any excuse you come up with for not being able to do that is simply that old baggage speaking. Eliminating borders, at least in an intellectual sense, may not be the right thing to do when you are only concerned about money but it is right when you are concerned about humanity and peaceful coexistence.
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